PBA Fans Not Exactly Enthusiastic About Fred Smoot (Or Me)

You might remember reading somewhere -- possibly here, here, here, here, here, or here -- about Fred Smoot's desire to become a professional bowler and the PBA 's response to him. In case you've somehow forgotten, here's the gist: Smoot is an enthusiastic bowler who expressed in great detail his desire to compete on the PBA tour.
Dan Steinberg got wind of this, wrote about it, and the next thing you know, the PBA is issuing this statement:
The PBA will give Fred Smoot entry into a PBA event and he can see where he stacks up against the best bowlers in the world. We think he might be in for a rude awakening because our pros are to bowling pins what he is to wide receivers.
Smoot would learn a lot about his game and get some tips from the best. We are sure he has a long way to go to get to the pro level but his enthusiasm for the sport can carry him far.
Good story, right? Smoot's an entertaining, enthusiastic guy, he'll get his chance to prove himself, and everyone wins and everybody's happy.
Wellllll ... not exactly.
Two days ago, a bit after the whole bowling fooferaw had died down, this comment showed up on one of my Fred Smoot Bowling posts:
Absolutely ludicrous!! What is the matter with this writer? You guys should be a little more worried about your team than some NFL player who dosen't stand a chance against the PBA elite. He woulden't average 150 on a PBA pattern. Debate it if you want on www.blogtalkradio.com Tuesday the 16th 11:00 eastern. Just search bowling and the13th frame will pop up.Sure, it was obvious shilling for a bowling podcast, but I couldn't see any reason not to check it out. I downloaded the podcast today and noticed one thing immediately: it was two hours long.
Now, look, I have plenty of specific interests of my own. A two hour podcast on the Redskins? Sure, I'm there. Two consecutive (language warning!) Deadspin podcasts, or three straight On The DL With Dan Levy sessions? I can do that. Two hours on, say, regional American cooking styles? Sold.
But two hours on professional bowling is way, way, way beyond my abilities. Luckily for me, Intern Jenna is absolutely fascinated by the topic, and happily listened to the entire thing. 94 minutes in, she excitedly told me that they were discussing Smoot. So at that point, I jumped back in, and ... wow.
Three things stood out to me:
- These people were REALLY into bowling.
- People who are really into something do NOT like it when an outsider is given a ticket in to the highest level of their subculture.
- I really need to find a way to make sure people read my last name properly before they start making fun of me. The only thing worse than being insulted by people you've never met is having them completely mispronounce your name while they do it.
Here's the transcript of the relevant part of the interview as best as I could make it out.
Joe Barton, podcast host: "I read something yesterday about Fred Smoot for the Washington Redskins -- he wants to be a pro bowler. I didn't know if it's a PBA thing like they did with the NBA last year, they're trying to tie themselves to the NFL -- which wouldn't be a bad thing, speaking of bringing in some more dollars -- but I actually went out and I watched his bowling video today -- or yesterday, sorry -- on the Official Redskins Blog, and, guys ... I only have one thing to say: Fred Smoot had better just forget the PBA tour right now, go straight to retiring and getting himself on Dancing With The Stars. He's not gonna average 150 on a PBA pattern, mark. my. words."
Chris "Budder" Adam, podcast co-host: "You talk about a paint-sprayer, he throws the ball everywhere from the little short clip that we could see."
Chris Curry, regional touring pro bowler: "Yeah, I want to be a defensive back for the Redskins, you know?"
JB: "Before you start to break this down, Curry, I have one more issue that I want to get out there, and it's actually with the writer from this blog, this Official Redskins Blog ... I guess his name is Matt Teri, the official Redskins Blog, and at the end of his article he said -- this is kind of offensive to us, 'cause he said he was tired of talking about bowling?!?? You know, that's really, really interesting, guys, coming from a guy covering the Redskins? First of all, I think he should be a little more interested in covering that piece of [crap] underachieving team that they have there in Washington. But that's just me, I'm a Colts fan, go Peyton Manning, and let's talk a little about Fred Smoot trying to make it on the PBA tour."
[NOTE: Not exactly what I was trying to say with "If you're tired of all the bowling stuff, rejoice. This is the end of it from me, I think, and OTAs resume today," but whatever. Close enough.]
Budder: "I personally think it's a joke, but go ahead, Curry."
Curry: "You know, all those guys, Smoot, Chris Paul, LeBron and all those guys ... you know, I wanna play in the NBA. I would love to. But just saying it is not gonna make it happen. You know, those are pipe dreams, and it's just not gonna happen. The writer for the Redskins, he can spend more time trying to sell Jason Campbell as an NFL quarterback, because ... I mean, that guy is as much of a quarterback as I am. But Smoot and those guys, it's just not gonna happen."
JB: "Their owner gets more press than their team does. What the hell is he even doing at their OTAs, is what I wanna know."
Budder: "I don't know. But personally, my opinion is that it's a joke, and the more I kinda read about it, the more it kinda upset me. Because, you know, Fred Smoot put out there that he told everybody that he was gonna be a professional football player, and now he's telling everybody he's going to be a professional bowler. Well, it's just not the case. I mean, there's a lot more that goes into our game besides just the physical side. There's the mental side and there's the knowledge of it, and honestly, he doesn't have a prayer and he doesn't have a clue what he's getting into.
"And the thing that I wanna throw out there too, with the PBA ... I don't mind them doing some creative marketing, whatever, to try to bring in more interest for our sport, but to throw this guy an offer, to give him an exemption for the tournament, I just think that's ridiculous. Now that's a slap in the face to, I think, to the other bowlers that are out there trying. If they're gonna let, you know, a football player come in here and participate into one of the tournaments.
"Now, Chris Paul's tournament where he had LeBron on and stuff like that, that was like a celebrity doubles, and I agreed -- I thought that was awesome. But to give Fred a spot ... I think that's a joke."
JB: "Have you ever watched Fred Smoot talk? I mean, the guy's entertaining. I mean, I would be entertained if this dude was putting on an insurance seminar. I'd probably be laughing my [butt] off. But we're talking about him going on the PBA tour, and for the people who take it really serious, it almost is a slap in the face. You know, I've never thrown a single shot on the PBA tour, and I never will throw a single shot on the PBA tour (unless somebody pays for me to go out there, by the way), so that's a slap in MY face, and I'm not even out there bowling.
"But you know what? If because of stunts like this they actually end up getting more money for the PBA tour, that is great, and I'm all for it.
"We are actually getting very close to the end of this show. Curry, have you heard anything from anybody on the regionals or from the PBA tour about this Fred Smoot thing? And by the way, Fred Smoot AND Matt Teri, you have an open invitation to call into the 13th Frame and defend yourself, but pretty much we here and pretty much the bowling community think you guys are a joke."
Curry: "Yeah, and I have an open invitation to Mr. Smoot if he'd like to bowl paycheck for paycheck, he can name the time and place and I'll be more than willing to show up.
[incoherent chatter and laughter]
"I mean, I'm not out there tootin' my horn and saying I'm gonna cover Reggie Wayne. I mean, I know my place."
So, yes, it's safe to say that these folks were not very happy.
I asked Smoot if he'd like to respond, and -- and this may be the most shocking statement I've ever written in my entire life, ever -- he declined. He did, however, offer one comment: "They're right: I won't average 150, 'cause I'll be in the 200s."
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
6-17-2009 @ 5:01PM
skeetmccool8841 said...
These guys need to chill out. It was a joke, do you think Smoot is actually gonna try out for the PBL or PBA or whatever its called? He's kidding, he's Smoot, it's what he does.
No need to insult our football team because some guy is joking around.
Oh and Jason Campbell is probably a better guy overall than a dude who talks on a 2 hour bowling blog.
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6-17-2009 @ 5:32PM
jakemcnemar said...
wow...I guess its all relative. Were just as enthusiastic about the skins as they are about bowling. But the "childish, feet stomping" is laughable. If they werent worried aobut Smooty coming in and being competative, shouldnt they be inviting him with open arms to show that their passion really is difficult?
Or dont...thats why the PBA has been irrelavant since Roy Munson and Ernie McCrackin left...BOOM
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6-17-2009 @ 6:34PM
happyskinzfan said...
Nobody's making fun of an NFL franchise with several championships. Opinions are like ***holes, everybody has one, but not everyone with one is an ***hole. These losers are ***holes for sure. You know you root for an awesome team when they're hated that much by losers, cause losers always hate winners. Oooooooh yummy!!
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6-17-2009 @ 6:37PM
lizkauai said...
Hahaha... not that bad... the bowlers treated you guys better than some fellow Redskins fans on a certain message board...
Go, Smoot!
HTTR!
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6-17-2009 @ 7:12PM
Steven said...
"I read something yesterday about Fred Smoot for the Washington Redskins -- he wants to be a pro bowler."
Doesnt every NFL player want to be one. (Just kidding)
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6-17-2009 @ 8:07PM
stevens965 said...
Hey while they are passing out professional bowling cards I'll take one... I bet I can average 75. WAhoooo
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6-17-2009 @ 9:19PM
jakemcnemar said...
OH, BTW! Our local bowling pro placed 5th in the US open a few months back. Walked in the alley and bowled mid to low 200's all weekend and placed 5th.
IMHO, if Smoot can bowl around 200 on any given day, he can certainly do it with a little practice. A 200 average makes a pretty good living on the tour... and the other guys would hate his antics.
Im all in with Smoot and hope he takes them up on this...
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6-17-2009 @ 11:00PM
dj.hobbes said...
Do you think they're bitter because they got Munsoned at life and host a bowling podcast?
What's the worst that could happen? he could bring some entertainment momentarily to an otherwise terrible "sport"
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6-17-2009 @ 11:03PM
fft5305 said...
Did these tools actually READ the statement from the PBA guy? He was basically saying, "Sure, we'll let Smoot in. He'll get his @$$ handed to him." I'm sure he's not even really intending to let Smoot in, he's just trying to drum up publicity for the PBA.
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6-17-2009 @ 11:17PM
the13thframe said...
Ok, ok. Wow did we stir it up!! That's great!! It is true though, he will average in the 150's on the PBA Patterns. I don't want to call the guy ignorant.......but him saying he'll average 200 IS IGNORANT. And by the way jakemcnemar The 48th ranked player last year, Joe Ciccone made $34,845 with his 213.74 average on PBA conditions week in week out. You must be from Venezuela by the way because the player who placed 5th in the U.S. Open was Amleto Monacelli, FROM VENEZUELA!!!! All of you should listen to the show if you like and maybe learn something about our sport. Don't get me wrong, I love the NFL!!!! I'm a season ticket holder. This is how some of you passionate fans would feel if your sport was basically ignored and you knew how damn hard it was to compete at a high level at it. One last note. Stay tuned, it appears that your own host may come on our show to represent for the Redskins fans!!!!!
Much love to all NFL fans,
Joe "The Legend That Never Was" Barton
and
Chris "Budder" Adam
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6-18-2009 @ 10:31AM
michael.denz said...
Hey guys,
I know that bowling may not get the respect it deserved, and that for some reason you may have been upset about Smoot's comments, but your reactions went a little overboard when you insulted the Redskins players.
If you had kept it to their bowling, or lack thereof, skills, it would have been fine. And wouldn't bowling be much better served for Smoot to come out and bowl a PBA game, and then tell everyone how hard it was?
In the end, try not to take a something Smoot says in what is honestly a fluff piece to pass the slow time during the offseason seriously, and stick to commenting on bowling, not football.
6-20-2009 @ 2:25AM
Alfie said...
"All of you should listen to the show if you like and maybe learn something about our sport."
Why would we tune in to your show after reading a transcript of you bashing on the Washington Redskins? I'll show bowling some respect when you stop being so ignorant/immature.
6-18-2009 @ 8:01AM
Steve H said...
OK! Let's be clear about something. All this is nothing more than an opportunity for the Pocket Protector Patrol to take a shot at a Pro athlete!!!
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6-18-2009 @ 8:19AM
kblawson28 said...
Too Bad if smoot or any other athletic guy we have on our team actually tried bowling for like a year they could probably average 150 easy, These guys are not just professional football players they are professional athletes which means they have the talent strength agility and muscle memory to be competitive in almost any physical task. But they do say it's not just a physical sport it's the mental aspects too, I'm sure Smoot would fold under the pressure of the 250 raging PBA fans watching him compete for a fifth of his usual paycheck, they're right he has no experience with being judged by large crowds based on his performance.
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6-18-2009 @ 8:41AM
Redskin4Life said...
Well, I know not to say anything about wanting to join that sport (can you really call bowling a sport? It's like hack-a-sack) don't want my name showing up in a podcast about how I disrespected something people do to hang out. Stupid people.
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6-18-2009 @ 8:42AM
th30n1yj3w said...
I can say first hand that the professional patterns are a LOT harder than regular patterns. I average around 200 and when I played in a league using pro patterns that dropped to around 130. Granted, if I had lots of practice on them and was absolutely dedicated to becoming a pro (like I'm sure Smoot would be) I could get my average back up there and maybe higher. You can't tell me that none of the pros practice every day on professional oil patterns just like Smoot practices covering wide receivers...practice makes perfect.
I think letting him have an entry into a tournament would be a great idea because it WOULD show him the difference between pro and regular patterns and maybe show him how hard he would have to work to make it to that level. It would also be very entertaining...I haven't watched a PBA event in years, but if Smoot's in the tournament I might just show up at it!
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6-18-2009 @ 8:46AM
Mike said...
Bowling is not a sport.
But 'wow, it's kind of intimidating to be in the presence of so many great athletes.'
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6-18-2009 @ 8:58AM
jakemcnemar said...
To the13thframe,
http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/opinion/op_ed/article/our_view_culpepers_bowling_pro_is_an_honor_to_our_town/33811/
I dont know the whole story, but heres a clip, maybe you can fill me in on the details. Rich Wolf.
Im a golfer. I can certainly understand where everyone is coming from trying to gain respect for a sport you love, and the satisfaction you get when that person realizes how difficult it actually is. But your boy Budder and Curry arent doing you guys any favors. You on the other hand seem to be up for a conversation rather than "childishly stomping your feet" like those two.
Regardless if Smoot could do it or not, shouldnt you guys be inviting anyone and everyone to bring some outside interest in? Worst case scenario is he falls on his face and bowling gains some respect right? I understand that Smoots antics may bring a circus to the sport...but maybe not. Even though you didnt like what they did with the NBA, at least it brought in some interest.
And Curry knows better...Smoot making an event out of a PBA tour is much more plausible than him making it through a minicamp at CB. Im going to chalk that one up to joking around like Smoot was in the first place.
All, in all...everyone is just fanatical about their sport. Thats cool! But lets have a fun conversation about it, not let it become a bash fest without those individuals there to defend themselves (and yes I know you sent an invite). Bring Smoot in! Make a big deal out of it and give some money to charity. Whats wrong with that? Use resources instead of being pretentious (and no thats not directed at you 13thframe).
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6-18-2009 @ 9:57AM
Tony said...
You know, I almost got upset about what these guys said, I felt myself getting real defensive. But then I realized who was making me like that. Let the little bowlers have there moment, and when they are done can we get back to football? Oh, and jakemcnemar -
Or dont...thats why the PBA has been irrelavant since Roy Munson and Ernie McCrackin left...BOOM-
That had me laughin so hard I'm still tearin up!!! Good one
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6-18-2009 @ 10:45AM
jflow78 said...
These guys act like bowling is a serious sport. Who cares if a bunch of guys who still live in their mother's basement don't like you, Matt, or the Redskins. They're right, Smoot might not be able to hang with the "professional" bowlers. But then again, I wouldn't be upset that a bunch of has beens (physically) are upset because they think a pro-athlete might dominate them.
They're probably right to be afraid, after all, fear is what motivates hate. Bowling is pretty much in the same category as the National Bridge Association, or competitive knitting.
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